SongWriter Podcast

SongWriter: Identity, Sexuality, and Changing Norms

Years ago the television show Men in Trees licensed five of my songs. They offered a few hundred bucks per side (master/publishing), money I badly needed. Still, when I excitedly shared the news with an older musician friend, he was outraged. He told me I was being stupid, that I needed to demand much more, and recalled that he used to get $20,000 for television licenses. I wasnโ€™t sure whether he was out of synch with the licensing market, or whether I was being naive. I worried that I was helping to drive down prices for myself and my fellow songwriters, but finally decided I couldnโ€™t afford not to take the money. Maybe when my friend licensed his songs he could demand fees like that, but decades later I wasnโ€™t sure I could.

I thought about generational perspectives, and how norms shift over time, recently when I was talking with Lou Barrett. Lou is a they/them femme and a poet, essayist, and blogger, and the founder of Purpled Palm Press. The story Lou reads in this weekโ€™s episode of SongWriter is about falling in love with their best friend in high school, and contending with the resulting emotions and questions of identity. Lou told me, โ€œSome people are like, โ€˜This isnโ€™t a choice for me,โ€™ and I think thatโ€™s just as valid and interesting of an experience as someone like me, whoโ€™s saying, โ€˜No, I think Iโ€™m choosing some of this.โ€™โ€ 

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Lou asked if the idea of innate sexual identity is โ€“ in todayโ€™s world of myriad identities and pronouns โ€“ becoming anachronistic. โ€œItโ€™s not a choice in that people cannot help who theyโ€™re attracted to…but I donโ€™t think that Iโ€™m innately non-binary or innately queer,โ€ they told me. โ€œWe got obsessed with the choice thing for political reasons….and what I donโ€™t like is that itโ€™s like, โ€˜Who would choose this? Who would want to be gay?โ€™โ€ The idea that choice has no role in sexual identity was perhaps once a necessary posture, but the blossoming of identities in new generations invites a broader and more complex conversation.

Cleveland musician Michelle Gaw wrote a song in response to Louโ€™s story about the intense intimacy of friendship. Michelle spoke particularly about intimacy among fellow artists: โ€œSome of the closest friends I have are people that play music. When somebody shares a song with you before they show anyone else…itโ€™s almost like a language that only people that really know me can understand.โ€

Years after my music plinked away in the background of Men in Trees, I was chatting with the supervisor who licensed my songs. I couldnโ€™t help asking what would have happened if I had demanded more money. Was my older friend correct โ€“ could I have gotten thousands for my songs if I had only asked? 

She was unequivocal: if I demanded more money she would have just moved on to the next songwriter. It wasnโ€™t personal; payouts were wholly constrained by the budget. The money she offered me was simply the money she had to offer.

You can hear Lou Barrettโ€™s story and the song that Michelle Gaw wrote in response in the newest episode of SongWriter. Benโ€™s current single is โ€œPrecious Cargo,โ€ and you can follow him @MyHeart.