SongWriter Podcast

SongWriter: Success, a Long Time Coming

In 1938 music kingmaker John Hammond – who later shaped the careers of Bob Dylan, Billie Holiday, and Bruce Sprinsteen – tried to book Robert Johnson for a concert at Carnegie Hall, only to discover that the blues legend had been murdered. At the time Johnson was an admired but relatively obscure artist, and he died unaware that he would be one of the most influential musicians of the century, and that books and movies would be made about his life. Johnson is one of many artists whose work was embraced only after their deaths, including Israel Kamakawiwo’ole, Emily Dickinson, Vincent Van Gogh, Eva Cassidy, Nick Drake, and Jeff Buckley.ย 

Author Lucia Berlin is another. In the new episode of SongWriter, her friend and former student Elizabeth Geoghegan talks about Berlinโ€™s life and reads a story from the collection called, โ€œMama.โ€

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โ€œShe wrote seventy-seven short stories, and nobody knew her name,โ€ Elizabeth says. โ€œAnd then in 2004 she dies, and all of her books are out of print.โ€

But when her short story collection, A Manual for Cleaning Women, was published in 2015 it became an instant international bestseller. It was Book of the Year in Italy, Spain, and Columbia, and is now being adapted into a film by Pedro Almodovar.

Berlinโ€™s story, โ€œMama,โ€ is partially autobiographical, and takes the form of a conversation between two daughters about their difficult and terrifying mother. Like Berlinโ€™s own mother, the mother in the story is an alcoholic and frequently threatens to kill herself. The story is dismaying and dark, but Berlin somehow transmutates the horror into comedy.

โ€œI donโ€™t mind telling people awful things if I can make them funny,โ€ Berlin once said.

In the new episode of SongWriter, musician Rebecca Rego performs a song she wrote in response to โ€œMama.โ€ Rego, whose new album โ€œTogetherโ€ is out this Friday, was so taken by Berlinโ€™s stories that she wrote and recorded six songs inspired by A Manual for Cleaning Women.

โ€œLucia is so compelling because her stories turn a brutal world into poetry and laughter,โ€ Rego says.

Ben Arthur is the creator and host of SongWriter. His current single is โ€œMercy Redux,โ€ which was also written in response to โ€œMama.โ€

AI Dreams: Jennifer Egan + Rhett Miller SongWriter turns stories into songs

At a live performance at Joe's Pub in New York City, Pulitzer Prize-winning author Jennifer Egan shares a chapter from her recent novel The Candy House. NYUโ€™s Dr. Chris Barrie speaks about AI, and tries to disentangle its potential as a threat to, or a savior of, humanity. Songwriter Rhett Miller (The Old 97s), who is an old friend and an admirer of Jenniferโ€™s, performs a brand new song in response.Chapters05:46Jennifer Egan reads a chapter of The Candy House16:28A conversation about AI with Dr. Christopher Barrie50:22"Near Eureka" performed live by Rhett MillerSongWriterPodcast.comInstagram.com/SongWriterPodcastFacebook.com/SongWriterPodcastTikTok.com/@SongWriterPodcastYouTube.com/@SongwriterPodcastSongWriter is a music and songwriting podcast that turns stories into songs. Host Ben Arthur invites writers, poets, and musicians to share a story or poem, then pairs it with an original song written in response. Along the way, the show explores the creative process through intimate conversations and performances. Guests have included Questlove, Susan Orlean, David Gilmour, Joyce Carol Oates, David Sedaris, and George Saunders. Distributed by PRX, SongWriter also appears on the syndicated radio program Acoustic Cafรฉ and in Paste Magazine. Learn more at SongWriterPodcast.com.ย Season seven is made possible by a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation
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